Wrap-up of the Virtual Globes Conference

Written by Chad on January 20th, 2007

Well, I am home and partly rested from my trip to Southbridge, MA and back. I have collected most of my thoughts and hopefully can put them into the proper words.

I kind of felt out of place at first, the speakers were either university types or from ESRI and all have been doing GIS type stuff for years. Then there is me, a guy that does all this in his spare time and works in a field that has nothing at all to do with GIS.

So, let’s begin the write up now. There were five presentations starting at 9am, and I got to go first and get it out of the way. There were about 25 people in attendance, most were from universities or colleges and some were from industry or research groups. There were two people from Google there as well. But I will save that for a little later. Obviously I was presenting on the use and features of World Wind. I stayed mostly in the middle and covered as much as I could and for the most part just showed how useful and open World Wind can be. I have posted my presentation and you can see it here.

One thing I found interesting is that many people actually came mainly for my presentation because while they have heard all about Google, they don’t know a whole lot about World Wind and I impressed just about everyone there with what World Wind could do and that it was not restrictive. After the presentation, several people approached me with more questions and also asking about the possibility of me coming back out to do some training sessions for their respected universities. Will have to see what the coming weeks will produce.

Next up was Jon Claris from Smith College and his presentation on “Using Google Earth in the Classroom”. Now, what is interesting is that this was NOT a presentation on how to use GE in the classroom, but on if it WAS a good tool for use in the classroom. The slides mainly asked the kinds of questions one would ask when looking at purchasing a major software package. The conclusion gained at the end of his presentation was that use GE is a nice tool and is getting “GIS to the masses” it is not really a very good classroom teaching tool.

After his presentation we had a break and the two Google people came over to talk to Jon, I am not going to name them here though, but one was a “Google Earth Community Development Specialist” and the other was from the Google Corporation. I am not sure what they talked about as I was talking to other people and they were asking some interesting questions, mainly when the 1.4 version is coming out and when they could try the Java version.

I did get a chance to talk to Jon later, and he admitted he had not looked much into World Wind, but he was much impressed by my presentation and was going to look more into World Wind.

Next was Neal Hirsig from Tufts University and his presentation was on “Placing 3D Models into Google Earth”. This was another interesting presentation and it was interesting that he shunned the use of Google Sketch-Up and uses Blender for the 3D modeling. When asked why, he basically said it was a great basic primitive drawing tool, but not a good tool for serious modeling work. GE’s support for 3D models, though they may look nice, is quite primitive still and you have to do quite a few steps to get a decent looking model to display correctly in GE.

Another complaint Neal had was the lack of a library for Non-Sketch-up models. The Google community Specialist said that the forum could be used, to which Neal’s reply that that was pointless because you can’t find anything easily in the GE Forums.

Again, after his presentation, the Google people went to talk to him. (Notice a trend yet?) Neal also had CDs of his presentations and models, I have a copy but have not looked at it yet.

After this we had a nice buffet lunch. And I talked to a few people again and got more feedback and requests for information. I had given out about half the business cards I had on my by now. But yet I had not talked to the Google people yet, in fact they seemed to be almost ignoring me. You would think one of their larger competitors to the education front, they would want to ask me a question or two.

After lunch was Robert Chavez from Tufts University and he presented on “An Experiment in Migrating Data and Applications to Google Earth”. To be honest, I did not pay a whole lot of attention to this presentation. As it was moving data from one format and service to another. But yet again, Robert was not that keen on using Google, as he said he was having a hard time getting specs on the servers as well as pricing. And again, once he was done the Google rep went and talked to him.

Now, the last presentation was the one I was waiting for it was from Matthew Davis from ESRI and he was covering the ArcGIS Explorer. I was really keen on seeing this presentation as the real power behind this virtual globe is not the imagery, but what you can do with the data inside the virtual globe similar to the ideas behind World Wind.

The real power behind GIS Explorer is the bringing in of multiple data sources seamlessly and the power of the Tasks to analyze; process and share the results with other Tasks to get the information you require. I am not sure I can really convey his presentation well enough. But what he did with just a basic demonstration was pretty amazing. Tasks can analyze data, create reports; and send the data to another Task.

That was all the presentations, and after that there was a break out session, but I could not stay for that as I had to drive down to Hartford to catch my flight back to Detroit. But I did leave behind enough business cards for the entire group if they wanted to contact me for more information. As I said before, several people were interested in having me come do some training for them and asked what it would take to get me there.

Now, as for the people from Google, I know it probably wasn’t intentional.. but it really did feel like they were trying to avoid talking to me. Which is a shame because I could have gotten some interesting questions asked.. though probably not answered.

mug_1.jpgSo, maybe I’ll have a new job out of this.. a World Wind trainer / instructor. This was an interesting experience, and I got a really nice travel mug as well out of it.

When the presentations are all online, I will pass that URL along so you can check out the power points.

Another thing I just remembered about using Google Earth in the classroom is the licensing. One of the professors was saying how he tried to get a lab setup with GE Pro and wanted to get a site license. But Google doesn’t license that way, they license to an email address instead. So, now you would have to create an email address for each computer in order to get a license. He was not very happy on how that was going to work out, and he was also not happy about the support of the Google Earth “professional” products, it left a lot to be desired.

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12 Comments so far ↓

  1. Jan
    20
    7:05
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    Patrick

    Chad, you obviously do thorough, first class work. World Wind could not have been better represented. Successfully engaging many of these ’smaller’ events has very far reaching impact, they are the seeds that become mighty oaks. We look forward to your expanding career. Much thanks! Patrick, Project Manager, NASA World Wind.

  2. Jan
    21
    1:42
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    Frank Taylor

    Chad, I wouldn’t feel too bad about the Google people not talking to you. It’s quite likely they already know your opinion from reading your blog. I regularly check on your blog to see how things are going on the WW front. IMHO, your viewpoint on GE seems a little biased. Of course, I’m sure if you read my very-GE-centric blog (gearthblog.com) that you probably feel the same about my opinion – although I have nothing to say against WW.

    By the way, there are many educators using Google Earth around the world. Check out Digital Geography for example:

    http://www.digitalgeography.co.uk

    Although DigitalGeography favors GE, he also tells other teachers about WorldWind as well. There are many educators world-wide using both GE and WorldWind (and also Celestia) with very positive results.

  3. Jan
    21
    2:23
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    Mr. Wizard

    True. but I had some questions for the person from Google though. But I was also busy myself talking to other people.

    Everyone’s viewpoints are biased in one way or another. but the common theme for all the presenters talking about using GE was that it was not that great of an option.

    Adobe Acrobat Reader came up a lot as a comparison to what Google Earth is good at. I believe it was Neal Hirsig that used that analogy a few times.

    I am not saying not to use GE, the people attending this were looking at ways to leverage virtual globes and it just came up a lot that GE just was not working well for they wanted to do. I can’t say about how they like working with World Wind yet as most of them have never used it yet. But quite a few people were interested after my presentation and some came just because World Wind was being presented.

  4. Jan
    22
    12:19
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    Doug

    It is sad that you never got to speak with the google people. It would have been a good opportunity for you to explain the pervasive tone of your thoughts:

    “no, praise me only!”
    http://earthissquare.com/2006/08/01/rant-enough-of-the-google-saves-all-bs/

    “let’s shame NASA’s Administrator”
    http://earthissquare.com/2006/12/19/so-just-how-blind-is-the-media/

    “filed under ‘Evil Inc’”
    http://earthissquare.com/2007/01/03/google-patents-prior-art/

  5. Jan
    22
    12:41
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    Doug

    No, thank you, for your eloquence. You observe the point without even recognizing it.

  6. Jan
    22
    12:48
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    Doug

    My comment made sense before Chad’s “Ahhh, thanks for that completly pointless comment.” was removed.

  7. Jan
    22
    12:55
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    Chad

    Actually, no. Someone else put that comment there instead of me.

    My opinions of how Google / Google Earth is seen are my own. And personally it just grates on me at times that people have a mind set that “If Google didn’t do, it was never done before”.

    For your first link. People within the world wind community worked with NOAA to get the imagery processed an online via a WMS server. Yes, someone created a basic image display overlay in GE a day or so before the processed imagery in WW was done. But the real work was not done by google, and that work was shared with google to display the hurricane imagery properly in GE.

    My only gripe was the work of many, many others that did it first; was not acknowledged.

    The second link, not many know it, but a lot of NASA does not know thay they have NASA World Wind they can use. (Left hand not knowing the right hand’s job) And it is also a concern that witht he way Google treats it’s imagery.. that data served this way, can only be viewed a certain way. This is a concern to a great number of people.

    And the last link, I will admit I am not a patent reading expert, but you look at the base description and it reads EXACTLY like a web map. And they have been in use long before Google came to be. Now, I have been told since then that it is for some very specific AJAX related things that only Google Maps do. But you really have to look into the patent to realize that.

  8. Jan
    22
    5:17
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    Bull_UK

    Lets hope he doesn’t read my blog :P But really we do ave quite valid reason’s for having an anti gmaps/ge bias, we have been treated pretty badly by the gmaps/ge team and the community, we can’t go into specifics as we made a promise not too.

  9. Jan
    22
    11:30
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    Shubber

    My only gripe with WW as opposed to GE is a simple one: GE has a mac version readily available, and WW doesn’t.

    I’ve done a lot of work with NASA over the years, and I’m shocked (shocked, I tell you) that WW was set up in such a way that it isn’t easily moved to Mac for those of us using the superior operating system :-)

    Once WW comes out for Mac, i’ll dump my GE gladly.

  10. Jan
    23
    12:37
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    Bull_UK

    Hehe, it’s taken them several years to find funding for a cross platform version, even keeping the Windows version funded has been a constant fight.

  11. Jan
    23
    6:35
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    Chad

    And most the funding is coming from outside of NASA.

    (This is getting like a James blog post… all the comments are not related to the post ;) )

  12. Jan
    28
    9:04
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    Jason

    Great writeup! (Just too bad the GE fanboys decided to attack you instead of commenting on the post) Looks like while people are using Google Earth, they are not 100% happy with how it works. Do you know when the other presentations are going to be put online? Would like to check them out.